The TikTok-ification of music marketing
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This episode of Make Me Smart explores the growing controversy around the 'TikTok-ification' of music marketing, using the breakout success of Brooklyn-based indie rock band Geese and their marketing firm Chaotic Good Projects as a case study. The conversation, led by host Kimberly Adams and guest Dan Runcie of Trapital, examines how the use of burner accounts, orchestrated social media buzz, and algorithmic manipulation has sparked debate over authenticity in music discovery. While such tactics are not new—comparing them to historical practices like payola—audiences, especially in the indie rock community, are increasingly wary of artificial hype undermining organic fan connection. Runcie argues that while engineered attention can generate short-term visibility, lasting success still depends on genuine artistic merit and real fan engagement. The episode also reflects on TikTok's evolution from a platform of equal opportunity to one where professionalized marketing strategies dominate, reshaping how music is discovered and consumed in the digital age. As the show concludes with Adams announcing her departure from Make Me Smart, the discussion underscores a broader cultural tension between innovation in promotion and the preservation of artistic authenticity.
TikTok has become the modern equivalent of MTV, reshaping what types of artists and music gain visibility through visual and algorithmic appeal.
Marketing tactics like burner accounts and orchestrated social media buzz are not new but are now more visible and controversial in indie music, where authenticity is highly valued.
Artificial hype can generate attention, but only real connection and quality music sustain long-term fan loyalty.
The line between smart marketing and inauthentic promotion lies in whether the strategy presents a false reality to audiences.
Music discovery on platforms like TikTok is increasingly professionalized, requiring artists to be both musicians and content creators.
Introduction and Fundraising Reminder
The episode begins with a public media fundraising appeal and a brief introduction to the topic of music marketing in the TikTok era, setting the stage for a deeper discussion on authenticity and promotion.
The Rise of Geese and the Controversy Around Chaotic Good
“It isn't coming across and it isn't being put out the way that people would expect it to be at least from like what they see in many ways I think it also strikes a nerve of what people feel frustrated about oftentimes with social media more broadly even outside of music where what someone is being presented isn't exactly what the actual authentic experience is.”
TikTok as the New MTV: Shifting the Rules of Music Discovery
“TikTok in many ways for music specifically is the new MTV. And it's the new MTV in that what TikTok does is it forces a lot of the artists to use it as the marketing tool for the underlying product that they're putting out there, being the music.”
The Authenticity Crisis in Indie Rock
“For this to come through, this is one of the last things that this type of fan base would want to hear or see. So much of this and the way that it played out is contingent on the nature of the social media platforms, particularly TikTok.”
Marketing Evolution: From Payola to Algorithmic Amplification
Runcie contextualizes modern tactics within a long history of music industry manipulation, from payola to paid influencers, arguing that while the tools have changed, the goal remains the same: to create buzz.
“The artificial heat or attention can only get you so far. You can't use these types of tactics to engineer attention and awareness, even curiosity, but people can't be forced to care six, nine, 12 months down the road.”
“TikTok in many ways for music specifically is the new MTV. And it's the new MTV in that what TikTok does is it forces a lot of the artists to use it as the marketing tool for the underlying product that they're putting out there, being the music.”
“It isn't coming across and it isn't being put out the way that people would expect it to be at least from like what they see in many ways I think it also strikes a nerve of what people feel frustrated about oftentimes with social media more broadly even outside of music where what someone is being presented isn't exactly what the actual authentic experience is.”
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Dan Runcie
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Kimberly Adams
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Geese
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Chaotic Good Projects
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Marketplace
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Trapital
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Payola
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MTV
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Intuit QuickBooks
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