New Orleans Saints Willing To Invest In Outliers Like Rueben Bain Jr. If Production Is Proven
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The New Orleans Saints are willing to draft a physical outlier like Reuben Bain Jr. if he demonstrates elite production—proving that on-field impact can outweigh traditional prototype concerns. Host Ross Jackson argues that Saints' offensive coordinator Kellen Moore has made it clear: 'You've got to be a really productive player if you're slightly off the prototype.' Bain, despite having one of the shortest arm lengths in NFL draft history, has 33.5 tackles for loss and 20.5 sacks over three seasons at Miami, with a proven ability to dominate in fourth quarters. This production, Jackson asserts, could justify a top-10 pick despite the physical red flags. However, the Saints have a deep-rooted preference for premium positions—tackles, edge rushers, cornerbacks, and wide receivers—evidenced by their last seven first-round picks all falling into those categories. While Bain is the only non-premium-position player in that group, Jackson doubts the Saints would bypass a high-upside wide receiver or cornerback for him, even if he’s the most productive player available. The episode ends with a tease of a mock draft, suggesting the Saints may surprise with a 'sneaky curveball' at pick eight.
The Saints will consider drafting physical outliers like Reuben Bain Jr. if they have elite production, per Kellen Moore's 'productivity over prototype' rule.
Reuben Bain Jr. has 33.5 tackles for loss and 20.5 sacks over three seasons, proving he can dominate games late—key for the Saints' needs.
Despite short arms (one of the shortest in draft history), Bain's production makes him a viable top-10 pick if he's available at No. 8.
The Saints have drafted only one non-premium-position player in the first half of the first round since 2015—Sheldon Rankins, a defensive tackle.
Since 2015, the Saints have selected seven first-round players, all in premium positions: tackle, edge rusher, cornerback, wide receiver, or defensive tackle.
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Introduction: The Saints’ Draft Strategy and the Role of Outliers
The episode opens with sponsor ads and a preview of the discussion on how the New Orleans Saints evaluate draft outliers, focusing on physical prototypes and production.
The Two Types of Draft Outliers: Prototype vs. Production
Ross Jackson outlines two ways to be an outlier in the NFL draft: physical prototype (like arm length) and talent level. The focus is on physical outliers, particularly Reuben Bain Jr.
Reuben Bain Jr.: The Ultimate Physical Outlier with Elite Production
“You've got to be a really productive player if you're slightly off the prototype. You're going to have to be a really, really productive player, have the ability to make plays and have done it all over the course of your extended period of time in order to showcase that.”
The Saints’ Draft Tendencies: A Preference for Premium Positions
“Every single one of these players except for two is a trenches player. Every single one of these players except for one is a premium position player.”
The Final Decision: Will the Saints Break from Tradition?
Despite Bain’s production, Jackson doubts the Saints will pass on a premium-position player like a wide receiver or cornerback, even if Bain is available at No. 8.
“You've got to be a really productive player if you're slightly off the prototype. You're going to have to be a really, really productive player, have the ability to make plays and have done it all over the course of your extended period of time in order to showcase that.”
“Every single one of these players except for two is a trenches player. Every single one of these players except for one is a premium position player.”
“at eight. I don't know that they're going to be willing to draft a Jeremiah Love and go against the positional value, even though he checks the production box”
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