Law School Accreditation: Shaping the Future of the Profession
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This episode of Lawyer 2 Lawyer explores the critical role of law school accreditation in shaping the future of the legal profession, focusing on the Council of the American Bar Association Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar (ABA Council). Host J. Craig Williams interviews Daniel Thies, Chair of the Council, who explains how the organization functions as the sole national accreditor of law schools, ensuring quality education and enabling access to federal student loans and bar admission across all 50 states. Thies emphasizes the Council's independence from the larger ABA, its historical roots in the apprenticeship model, and its evolution through key milestones like the 1921 accreditation launch and the 1996 consent decree that restructured its membership to include more practicing lawyers and public members. The discussion addresses criticisms of monopolistic control, state-level alternatives like those in Texas and Florida, and California’s unique dual-track system allowing non-accredited schools to take the bar. Thies defends the national system as essential for consistency, consumer protection, and portability of legal credentials, while acknowledging the need for innovation and flexibility in response to challenges like AI, federal loan caps, and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) debates. The Council has suspended and is moving to repeal Standard 206 due to legal uncertainty around DEI initiatives, while emphasizing outcome-based standards—especially bar passage rates—as central to accreditation. The episode concludes with insights into the accreditation process, the importance of skills-based education, and the Council’s commitment to balancing accountability with innovation in legal education. Key takeaways include: 1) National accreditation ensures uniform standards and portability of legal credentials across state lines; 2) The Council’s focus on outcomes—like bar passage rates—over rigid input metrics reflects a modern, evidence-based approach; 3) The variance process allows law schools to innovate in admissions and curriculum without losing accreditation; 4) The Council’s independence from the ABA and its diverse membership help maintain balance between the legal profession and academia; 5) Challenges like AI and student loan caps require law schools and the Council to adapt with greater flexibility; 6) California’s model proves that innovation is possible even within the national framework; 7) The Council’s role in consumer protection—such as closing underperforming schools post-recession—has helped restore public trust in legal education; 8) Rankings like U.S. News do not influence accreditation, reinforcing the Council’s data-driven, independent evaluation process.
National accreditation ensures uniform standards and portability of legal credentials across all 50 states.
The Council’s focus on outcomes—especially bar passage rates—over rigid input metrics reflects a modern, evidence-based approach.
The variance process allows law schools to innovate in admissions and curriculum without losing accreditation.
The Council’s independence from the ABA and its diverse membership help maintain balance between the legal profession and academia.
Challenges like AI and student loan caps require law schools and the Council to adapt with greater flexibility.
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The Value of Deep Engagement in Legal Education
The episode opens with a call to slow down and engage with substantive legal literature, setting a reflective tone for the discussion on law school accreditation and its long-term impact on the profession.
The Role and Independence of the ABA Council
“We are a section of the ABA but we are separate because of requirements that the Department of Education puts on accreditors and it's part of the Higher Education Act that requires accreditors to be separate and independent.”
The History and Evolution of Legal Accreditation
Thies traces the origins of accreditation from the apprenticeship model to the ABA’s founding in 1878 and the establishment of the Council in 1921, highlighting the 1996 consent decree that restructured membership to include more practicing lawyers.
State vs. National Accreditation: A Comparative Analysis
“The big benefit of the system we have now of council accreditation is that students don't have to worry about that. They know that if they go to a council accredited law school after they graduate, they can go to any of the 50 states.”
Bar Passage Rates and the Case for Quality Standards
“Graduates of council accredited schools pass the bar at a rate three times those of schools that are not accredited by the council, including primarily those in California.”
“The big benefit of the system we have now of council accreditation is that students don't have to worry about that. They know that if they go to a council accredited law school after they graduate, they can go to any of the 50 states.”
“Graduates of council accredited schools pass the bar at a rate three times those of schools that are not accredited by the council, including primarily those in California.”
“We are a section of the ABA but we are separate because of requirements that the Department of Education puts on accreditors and it's part of the Higher Education Act that requires accreditors to be separate and independent.”
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Daniel Thies
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J. Craig Williams
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American Bar Association
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Department of Education
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California
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bar exam
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