Conversations With Kabbalist Dr. Michael Laitman with his students [2026-04-25] #program
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In this deep dialogue from Kabbalah Media, Dr. Michael Laitman and his students explore the foundational principles of spiritual advancement through the group, or 'ten.' The conversation centers on the paradox of individual responsibility versus collective influence: while the entire spiritual journey depends on one's inner perception and desire to see the Creator behind every friend, the external example provided by the group is essential for shaping that perception. The participants grapple with the question of whether spiritual growth is solely a personal endeavor or if it fundamentally relies on the behavior and attitude of others. Laitman emphasizes that even in a group with minimal spiritual development—such as beginners who come for self-benefit—the seeker can still extract meaningful examples of connection and altruism. The key insight is that the spiritual work is both individual and relational: one must actively demand the desire to perceive the Creator in others, but that demand is only possible through the dynamic interaction with the group. The episode concludes with a powerful affirmation: no matter the external behavior of the friends, the individual's ability to transform any experience into a spiritual lesson is the true measure of progress.
Spiritual advancement depends on your ability to perceive the Creator behind every friend, not on their external behavior.
Even in a group of beginners or imperfect individuals, you can extract positive spiritual examples by focusing on their intention to connect.
The group is not just a tool for personal gain but a mirror that reflects the state you must attain toward the Creator.
You are responsible for demanding the spiritual desire to see the Creator in others—this inner work is non-negotiable.
The relationship with the friends is not transactional; it's a sacred space where you learn how to relate to the Creator.
The Creator Beyond Reason and the Foundation of Love
“The Creator is more exalted than what a person can depict within his mind. And to say that we need to believe above reason, that He conducts the world as the good who does good.”
The Role of the Friends as Spiritual Mirrors
“Do I need the friends to love me, or do I need to love the friends? ... The feeling of the love of friends towards me, that'll be equal to my love towards you.”
Perceiving the Creator Behind Every Friend
“If we could truly feel that, will we ever be able to feel that? That the Creator stands behind every friend and is truly performing everything he does through him?”
The Interdependence of the Individual and the Group
The episode concludes with a profound exploration of mutual dependence: while spiritual progress is ultimately an individual inner work, it is impossible without the external examples provided by the group. Even flawed or self-interested friends can become sources of inspiration if perceived correctly.
“The Creator is more exalted than what a person can depict within his mind. And to say that we need to believe above reason, that He conducts the world as the good who does good.”
“If we could truly feel that, will we ever be able to feel that? That the Creator stands behind every friend and is truly performing everything he does through him?”
“Do I need the friends to love me, or do I need to love the friends? ... The feeling of the love of friends towards me, that'll be equal to my love towards you.”
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