Trump's J6 Pardons Reward Political Violence!
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In this episode of Justice Matters, host Glenn Kirschner sits down with former federal prosecutor Greg Rosen, chief of the Capitol Siege Unit at the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office, to examine the aftermath of the January 6th Capitol attack and the sweeping pardons issued by the current administration. Rosen recounts the unprecedented scale of the criminal investigations and prosecutions that followed the attack, including over 1,600 defendants charged, nearly all of whom were convicted or pleaded guilty. He emphasizes the immense effort required to build the legal case in real time—'building the airplane as you were flying'—and expresses deep personal and professional anguish over the pardons that erased those convictions. He highlights the particularly damaging impact on law enforcement officers like Aquilino Gonel, who received repeated notifications of released attackers. The episode also exposes a wave of retaliation against prosecutors who worked on the January 6th cases, with many demoted or terminated for doing their jobs. Rosen condemns the Department of Justice’s recent motion to dismiss the seditious conspiracy convictions of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, calling it an unprecedented and unjust erosion of justice. He warns that such actions send a dangerous message: political violence can be rewarded, and accountability is negotiable.
The January 6th pardons erased nearly 1,600 convictions, disproportionately benefiting those who committed violent crimes against law enforcement.
Prosecutors who led the January 6th cases were retaliated against—demoted, fired, or sidelined—undermining the integrity of the justice system.
The DOJ’s motion to dismiss seditious conspiracy convictions of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys is unprecedented and undermines the rule of law.
Pardons and dismissals send a dangerous message: political violence may be rewarded, and justice is subject to political whim.
Judges may be forced to become complicit in politically motivated dismissals if they accept the 'interest of justice' justification without scrutiny.
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Introduction: The Unforgivable Pardons
“I won't forget that. I won't put it behind us. We shouldn't put it behind us as a country.”
The Birth of the Capitol Siege Unit
Greg Rosen details his journey from a local prosecutor in Loudoun County to chief of the Capitol Siege Unit at the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office. He describes the chaotic response on January 6th and the urgent need to build a massive criminal investigation from scratch while the country watched.
The Scale of Prosecutions and Convictions
“There were only two full acquittals, and one was in a misdemeanor case, and the other one was in what they call a stipulated trial...”
The Pardons: A Message of Political Violence
“The message one of the messages is political violence is acceptable. And if you engage in it, we're going to give you a get out of jail free card.”
Retaliation Against Prosecutors
“They kicked her all the way down to misdemeanors, which makes my blood boil. And it does such a disservice to those hardworking public servants.”
“The message one of the messages is political violence is acceptable. And if you engage in it, we're going to give you a get out of jail free card.”
“I won't forget that. I won't put it behind us. We shouldn't put it behind us as a country.”
“I can't think of a time that like you would just willingly dismiss a duly earned conviction that went through the crucible of trial...”
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January 6th Capitol Attack
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Greg Rosen
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Donald Trump
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Glenn Kirschner
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U.S. Department of Justice
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D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office
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Capitol Siege Unit
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Oath Keepers
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Proud Boys
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Aquilino Gonel
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