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In this episode of 'It Could Happen Here,' host Andrew Sage examines the aftermath of the 2011 NATO-led intervention in Libya, tracing the country's descent into prolonged civil conflict and humanitarian crisis. Beginning with the Arab Spring uprisings against Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule, Sage critiques the Western narrative of humanitarian intervention, revealing how the U.S., UK, and France—despite previously selling weapons to Gaddafi—used UN Resolution 1973 to justify bombing campaigns under the guise of protecting civilians. The intervention led to Gaddafi’s overthrow and execution, but instead of stability, Libya descended into chaos, with competing governments, foreign-backed militias, and ongoing violence. The episode details how the National Transitional Council (NTC) and later the Government of National Accord (GNA) failed to unify the country, while regional powers like Turkey, Russia, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia backed opposing factions. The humanitarian toll is staggering: over 900,000 displaced, thousands killed, and the rise of open slave markets targeting Black African migrants. A 2023 flood in Derna, exacerbated by neglected infrastructure, killed at least 4,000, underscoring how war cripples disaster resilience. Sage argues that the West’s imperialist motives—particularly over Libya’s oil wealth—undermined any genuine liberation, leaving the people worse off. He also challenges the reductive portrayal of the Arab Spring as ideologically monolithic, emphasizing its diverse, grassroots origins and the danger of oversimplifying complex movements.
Western 'humanitarian' interventions often serve imperial interests, not liberation—Libya’s oil wealth was a primary motivator behind NATO’s 2011 bombing campaign.
The Arab Spring was not a monolithic ideological movement but a heterogeneous uprising driven by shared frustration with oppression, not a single ideology.
The fall of Gaddafi led to a power vacuum, enabling foreign-backed militias, civil war, and the collapse of state institutions, resulting in ongoing violence and displacement.
Libya’s 2023 Derna floods, which killed thousands, were worsened by war-damaged infrastructure and uncompleted dam rehabilitation projects, highlighting the long-term costs of conflict.
The international community’s failure to rebuild Libya after intervention demonstrates that liberation without sustainable reconstruction leads to deeper suffering.
Opening: The Global Crisis and the Need for Historical Reflection
The episode begins with a series of podcast promos before transitioning into a somber reflection on the escalating global conflict, particularly the U.S.-Israel invasion of Iran, setting a tone of geopolitical tension and urgency for historical analysis.
The Arab Spring and the Rise of Libya’s Uprising
“Every revolution that I have been at, that I have witnessed, is an everything revolution when it starts and it later becomes a something revolution.”
The Myth of Humanitarian Intervention
“An allegedly humanitarian intervention led to the deaths of tens of thousands, of a national population of just over 6 million.”
The Collapse of Libya: From NTC to Civil War
“The attempt to get profits flowing from multinational corporations comes long before any ideas of reconstruction.”
Foreign Involvement and Proxy Warfare
“Turkey sent their war criminal proxies to support the GNA in repelling the HOR from their Tripoli.”
“It is theorized that the tragedy could have been avoided altogether because according to reports by the Middle East Eye, a Turkish company was supposed to rehabilitate the field dams but their works were reportedly interrupted by the 2011 uprising and subsequent civil war.”
“An allegedly humanitarian intervention led to the deaths of tens of thousands, of a national population of just over 6 million.”
“The attempt to get profits flowing from multinational corporations comes long before any ideas of reconstruction.”
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