182 The Wonder of the Neglected Gift of Deification (with Parts!) with Dr. Matthew Tsakanikas
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The podcast episode dives deep into the Catholic doctrine of deification—theosis—revealing it not as heresy, but as a foundational truth of the faith. Hosted by Dr. Jerry Crete and Dr. Matthew Tsakanikas, the conversation unpacks how, through Christ’s incarnation, believers are invited to become 'gods by grace,' not by nature, but by sharing in God’s divine life. Drawing from Scripture, the Church Fathers like St. Irenaeus and St. Athanasius, and the Catechism, the episode reframes salvation not as legalistic guilt-expiation, but as a dynamic, relational transformation into the image of Christ. A powerful thread runs through the discussion: this divine destiny is not abstract, but deeply personal and embodied. The hosts integrate insights from Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy to show how every part of us—especially the wounded, exiled, or shame-filled—can be invited into this divine communion. The key revelation? God loves us first, before we love Him, and this love is the only force capable of integrating our fragmented selves. The episode culminates in a radical reimagining of prayer, sacraments, and spiritual growth: not as performance, but as a surrender to a love so vast it can transform even our deepest wounds into vessels of grace. The episode’s most profound takeaway is that deification is not a distant ideal, but the very purpose of creation. It’s not about becoming God in essence, but about being fully human—fully alive—in the divine life.
Deification means becoming 'gods by grace'—sharing in God’s divine nature, not by essence, but through participation in Christ’s life, as affirmed by St. Peter and the Church Fathers.
The purpose of creation was always to make us sons and daughters of God; this was God’s plan from before the foundation of the world, revealed in Ephesians 1.
The Eucharist is not just spiritual food—it’s a physical, embodied encounter with Christ that integrates body and soul, healing the fragmented parts of us.
God’s love is not earned; it’s given first. This is the foundation of healing: we are loved before we love, even in our shame and sin.
The innermost self in IFS is not a human construct—it’s the 'mirror of God,' the divine center within us that, when accessed, becomes the source of integration and grace.
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The Catholic Secret: Deification Explained
“He who was the Son of God became the Son of Man, that man might become the Son of God.”
Scripture and the Fathers: The Roots of Theosis
The hosts trace the doctrine of deification through key biblical passages (Matthew 5:9, John 1:12, 2 Peter 1:4) and quotes from St. Irenaeus, St. Athanasius, and St. Thomas Aquinas, showing that this theology has been central to Christian thought since the earliest centuries.
Why Deification Is Forgotten in Modern Catholicism
The hosts explore why the doctrine of deification has been overshadowed by juridical models of salvation focused on guilt and punishment, and how this has led to a spiritual impoverishment in many Catholic lives.
The Self in IFS vs. the Catholic View of the Soul
A critical discussion on the IFS concept of the 'self' as undamaged and divine, which the hosts argue is a misrepresentation of the Catholic view—emphasizing that we are still in need of redemption post-fall.
Love as the Catalyst for Integration
The hosts examine how Eros (desire) and Agape (self-giving love) are essential for human integration, with God’s love being the only force capable of healing our fragmented inner lives.
“He who was the Son of God became the Son of Man, that man might become the Son of God.”
“The lover wants to make the beloved equal to himself.”
“The idea of our divinization is so astonishing and so different from anything we ordinarily think that we tend to cast about for ways to weaken its force by giving it an attenuated meaning.”
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Dr. Matthew Tsakanikas
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Dr. Jerry Crete
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2 Peter 1:4
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Ephesians 1
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St. Irenaeus of Lyons
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St. Athanasius
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St. Thomas Aquinas
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
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Souls and Hearts
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St. John of the Cross
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