Bonus: “Messy Tales,” an Excerpt from the Prof’s book, Been There, Done That
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In this deeply personal bonus episode of *History That Doesn't Suck*, Professor Greg Jackson opens up about the emotional and intellectual journey that led him to write his new book, *Been There, Done That: How Our History Shows What We Can Overcome*. He reflects on how hosting the podcast for nearly a decade transformed him, deepening his reverence for American history while confronting his own blind spots. The episode centers on a powerful narrative from the Revolutionary War era: Ben Franklin’s use of fabricated news—complete with fake letters and advertisements—to manipulate public opinion during peace negotiations with Britain in 1782. Jackson uses this historical example to challenge the modern myth of unprecedented crisis, arguing that today’s political turmoil, fake news, and partisan violence have deep historical roots. He insists that America has weathered far worse, and that its survival isn’t a miracle but a testament to resilience, adaptability, and the enduring power of its constitutional republic. The episode closes with a call to action: pre-order the book to help ensure its reach and impact. Jackson frames the book as a series of 'messy tales'—complex, flawed, and often morally ambiguous stories from America’s past that mirror today’s challenges. He emphasizes that true patriotism lies not in ignoring history’s failures but in confronting them with honesty and hope. By studying these past struggles, he argues, we can reclaim agency and choose to rebuild a more resilient, united nation. The episode blends memoir, history, and civic reflection, offering both comfort and a challenge: that despite our current despair, the American experiment is not doomed—it’s been through worse and can endure again.
Ben Franklin used fake news in 1782 to influence peace negotiations—proving that disinformation is not a modern invention.
The belief that 'this is the worst it’s ever been' is historically inaccurate; America has faced and overcome similar crises before.
True patriotism means loving your country while honestly confronting its flaws—not pretending it’s perfect or condemning it entirely.
The American republic has survived not because it was flawless, but because it adapted, endured, and kept trying.
Pre-ordering the book helps ensure it reaches more readers and influences public discourse during a critical moment.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
A Personal Origin Story
“I became more of what I had hoped to give you, even with, or perhaps blinded by, my PhD in tenure, I hadn't realized how living with these stories year after year would change me, make me more nuanced, more generous, more inclined to see our better angels.”
The Birth of a Book
“Without dismissing our very real challenges today, I believe with all my soul that the American people can prevail if we so choose and not only survive but thrive and create a still more perfect union.”
Ben Franklin’s Fake News Gambit
“Ben Franklin... used his press in Passy, France, to spread falsehoods with the hopes of getting a leg up in the peace negotiations.”
History Doesn’t Repeat, But It Rhymes
Jackson argues that today’s crises—fake news, political violence, contested elections—are not unprecedented. He draws parallels between modern challenges and those faced by 19th-century Americans, emphasizing that the American republic has repeatedly endured and overcome deep divisions and institutional failures.
The Messy Tales of American History
Jackson introduces the book’s central thesis: American history is not a series of clean victories but a collection of 'messy tales'—flawed, complex, and morally ambiguous stories. He frames these tales as essential lessons in resilience, civic virtue, and the ongoing work of self-improvement.
“We spend most of our time in between those extremes, making the arduous climb, sometimes backsliding, at times moving laterally and even struggling to move, just gasping for breath. Nonetheless, this republic is worth that climb.”
“We do not need to choose between love of country and facing the bleakest moments of our history. On the contrary, I fervently believe that a love of country and patriotism go hand-in-hand with examining and learning from such messy tales.”
“Without dismissing our very real challenges today, I believe with all my soul that the American people can prevail if we so choose and not only survive but thrive and create a still more perfect union.”
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