BONUS: Humility, Slaves in the Old Testament, the Problem of Evil, & Learning to Laugh
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In this bonus episode of Godsplaining, Father Bonaventure engages in a wide-ranging, lighthearted yet deeply reflective conversation covering theological, philosophical, and personal topics. The discussion begins with reflections on vocation, humility, and the nature of desire—drawing on St. Thomas Aquinas and the idea of 'holy desires' as a guide to life. He addresses the problem of evil with characteristic irreverence, arguing that natural evils are not inherently evil but part of a larger cosmic order, while moral evils stem from human freedom. The episode transitions into a playful lightning round, where Father Bonaventure humorously defends virtues like meekness, discusses the role of Mary in salvation, and even debates the 'greatest' toad species. A standout moment comes when he uses a pet lizard’s emotional development as a metaphor for spiritual growth—illustrating how God trains us not to be domesticated, but to become wild in holiness, able to sit on His shoulder forever. The tone remains joyful, irreverent, and deeply theological, blending wisdom with wit.
Follow your 'holy desires'—they are signs of where God is drawing you, not just practical choices.
The problem of evil is less a theological crisis than a misunderstanding of God’s creative and redemptive design.
Obedience to fallible human authorities can be a path to God when seen as participation in His will.
Mysticism grows with time and attentiveness—like learning to appreciate art, it deepens over a lifetime.
Emotional maturity and spiritual growth can be seen in small, tangible ways—like a lizard learning to trust its keeper.
Vocation, Holy Desires, and Following the Stream
“You don't have to do something totally different. It might be very well that my family is a family of doctors or lawyers or something, and I've always kind of liked that. Why go against the stream?”
The Problem of Evil: Not a Problem, Just a Perspective
“The problem of evil, no big deal. It's just not.”
The Lightning Round: Humor, Virtues, and the Greatest Toad
“The cool feature about that thing is you have a window, because usually you have to kind of like guess how they feel about being held at the moment. But that thing told you without words.”
Mysticism, the Incarnation, and Sitting on God’s Shoulder
Father Bonaventure concludes with a poetic meditation on mysticism as deepening attentiveness to beauty, likening it to growing appreciation for art. He uses his pet lizard as a metaphor for spiritual formation—learning not to inflate out of fear, but to trust God’s goodness and become wild in holiness.
“Gradually, he trains us in his righteousness, not so as to domesticate us, but so as to make us as wild as he is.”
“The cool feature about that thing is you have a window, because usually you have to kind of like guess how they feel about being held at the moment. But that thing told you without words.”
“At times, we are tempted to inflate for fear that the Lord's plans are not good, but truth be told, they are good.”
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Mary
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Oscar Wilde
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