Pragmatic Trial to Increase Advance Care Planning: Anne Walling, Neil Wenger, & Rebecca Sudore

GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast50mApril 2, 2026

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This episode of GeriPal features a deep dive into a pragmatic, real-world cluster-randomized trial led by Anne Walling, Neil Wenger, and Rebecca Sudore to improve advanced care planning (ACP) documentation in electronic health records (EHRs) across three University of California healthcare systems. The study focused on primary care patients with serious illness, using a validated EHR-based phenotype to identify this population through structured data—avoiding reliance on prognosis-based models. The intervention included three arms: sending patients pre-visit messages about ACP, adding links to the Prepare for Your Care website, and deploying non-clinician healthcare navigators to engage patients and prepare clinicians for conversations. Results showed that all three approaches increased ACP documentation, with the navigator arm achieving 20% documentation rates compared to 13–14% in the other groups. Crucially, the study also demonstrated increased goals-of-care conversations, a key indicator of meaningful engagement. Despite low absolute rates of completion, the researchers emphasize that the real value lies in building a sustainable, scalable infrastructure that supports ongoing, patient-centered conversations and aligns care with patient values over time.

Key Takeaways
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Use structured EHR data to create a valid, scalable phenotype for identifying patients with serious illness—without relying on prognosis.

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Pre-visit, targeted messaging via patient portal and mail significantly increases ACP documentation and goal-directed conversations.

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Healthcare navigators, though resource-intensive, create a sustainable infrastructure that improves readiness and clinician preparedness.

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The true success of ACP is not just form completion, but enabling patient activation and alignment of care with values.

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Building systems-level infrastructure allows for continuous improvement and expansion into other populations (e.g., surgical patients).

Chapters
0:00
2 min

Sponsorship & Introduction

The episode begins with a sponsored introduction by the UCSF Division of Palliative Medicine, highlighting their interdisciplinary work and inviting listeners to learn more via show notes. The hosts welcome the guests and set the stage for a discussion on pragmatic improvements in advanced care planning.

2:00
3 min

The Power of Love in Healthcare Quality

The secret of quality is love. And so we chose All You Need Is Love by The Beatles.

Highlight
5:00
5 min

Why Advanced Care Planning Matters

If you do your studies right, and actually the outcomes show that there is a lot of benefit.

Highlight
10:00
10 min

Designing a Pragmatic, Real-World Intervention

We created a reference standard and looked at all the structured data to see what data elements we can accurately identify.

Highlight
20:00
15 min

Building the Infrastructure: From Phenotype to Intervention

The discussion details how the team built a 98% predictive algorithm to identify seriously ill patients using structured EHR data. They emphasize the importance of stakeholder engagement, including patients and clinicians, in shaping messaging and implementation strategies.

High-Impact Quotes
All you need is love. Love is all you need.
Alex Smith48:27
Viral: 95.0
The secret of quality is love.
Anne Walling2:18
Viral: 90.0
Now it's a go-to place. And in the olden days, the hospitalists would tell me, I'm not going to bring in the primary care doc because if I do look in the goals of care section, it's blank.
Neil Wenger45:30
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Hosts

Eric WaderaAlex Smith

Guests

Anne WallingNeil WengerRebecca Sudore
Topics Discussed
Advanced Care Planning95%EHR-Based Phenotyping90%Healthcare Infrastructure88%Goals of Care Conversations87%Pragmatic Clinical Trials86%Patient Activation85%Healthcare Navigators83%Structured vs Unstructured Data80%
People & Brands

Rebecca Sudore

person

22xPositive

Neil Wenger

person

18xPositive

Anne Walling

person

15xPositive

Epic

product

12xNeutral

UCLA

organization

10xPositive

Prepare for Your Care

product

8xPositive

University of California Healthcare Systems

organization

5xPositive

UCSF Division of Palliative Medicine

organization

4xPositive

UC Irvine

organization

4xNeutral

Donna Edmondson

person

3xPositive

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