Episode 277: Dr. Rachel Herz | The Science of Disgust, Smell, and Why You Eat What You Eat
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Dr. Rachel Herz, a leading neuroscientist and expert on smell and disgust, reveals that disgust is not an innate reaction but a learned emotional response shaped by culture, context, and personal experience—making it a powerful psychological lever in our relationship with food. Contrary to popular belief, she argues that food addiction as a clinical condition is a misnomer: while overconsumption and disordered eating are real, they stem from habit, environmental cues, and cognitive dissonance rather than a biological dependency like drugs or alcohol. The real danger lies in ultra-processed foods engineered to hijack our sensory systems with optimized salt, sugar, and fat combinations, which bypass our natural satiety signals. Yet, Herz offers a path forward not through fear or disgust, but through awareness: by reading ingredient labels, understanding how context alters perception, and practicing mindful eating—savoring the first few bites of a treat before stopping, even if it's not 'bad' food. Her key insight? We don’t need to hate food to change our behavior—just to understand it. The episode dismantles the myth of 'food addiction' by showing that the brain’s reward system is designed for survival, not overindulgence. When we eat in response to stress, boredom, or social cues—rather than hunger—we’re not addicted; we’re reacting to a mismatch between our evolved biology and modern food environments.
Disgust is learned, not innate—cultural context determines what is repulsive, not biology.
Ultra-processed foods are engineered to bypass natural satiety through optimized salt, sugar, and fat, not because they're addictive.
One-trial aversion learning explains why a single illness after eating a food can create lifelong avoidance, even if the food wasn't the cause.
Super-tasters are more sensitive to physical disgust (e.g., bitter tastes) but not moral disgust, proving the emotional divide between visceral and cognitive reactions.
Reframing ultra-processed foods by reading ingredient lists can trigger psychological disgust—making them less appealing without restriction.
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Introduction to Dr. Rachel Herz and the Science of Smell
Host Dr. Vera Tarmann introduces Dr. Rachel Herz, a neuroscientist and expert on smell, disgust, and food behavior, highlighting her academic credentials, books, and relevance to food addiction recovery.
Disgust as a Learned Emotion
“There are many Asian, South Asian cultures as well as South American cultures where insect eating is actually not only something that's done, it's actually something that's good that's done.”
The Biology of Disgust and Bitter Taste
Herz details how the face of disgust—closing off the mouth or sticking out the tongue—originates from the need to reject bitter, potentially poisonous substances, a hardwired survival mechanism.
One-Trial Aversion and Food Avoidance
“One trial, aversion, that's all it might take if you had an extreme reaction.”
Super-Tasters and Sensory Sensitivity
Herz discusses how genetic differences in taste buds (super-tasters vs. non-tasters) affect food preferences and consumption patterns, with non-tasters more likely to overeat due to lower sensory feedback.
“It is not, and it may feel awful if I'm not having it. But this is not something which is built into me that I need to do in order to survive because I don't need the energy from the cigarette.”
“There are many Asian, South Asian cultures as well as South American cultures where insect eating is actually not only something that's done, it's actually something that's good that's done.”
“One trial, aversion, that's all it might take if you had an extreme reaction.”
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Dr. Rachel Herz
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Dr. Vera Tarmann
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Food Junkies Podcast
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National Rotten Sneakers Contest
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Megan Sloan
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Back to Basics workshop
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Sweet Sobriety
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TEDx 2024
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International Society of Neural Gastronomy
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