The Warehouse Workers Who Beat Amazon with Derrick Palmer

Factually! with Adam Conover1h 2mApril 29, 2026

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In this powerful episode of Factually! with Adam Conover, the host interviews Derrick Palmer, co-founder of the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) at JFK8 in Staten Island—the first Amazon warehouse to successfully unionize. Palmer recounts the grassroots campaign that began during the pandemic, when workers were denied basic safety protections despite being exposed to deadly conditions. Fueled by personal stories of mistreatment—like workers urinating on themselves to avoid bathroom penalties—the movement grew from a small group of organizers into a citywide effort. Drawing lessons from the failed Bessemer union vote, Palmer and his team adopted an 'inside-outside' strategy, organizing workers through personal conversations, social media, and public actions like walkouts. Despite Amazon’s aggressive anti-union tactics, including legal appeals and targeting veteran workers, the union has maintained momentum. The episode highlights the ongoing fight for a contract, the importance of solidarity, and the revolutionary potential of worker power. Palmer’s new book, *Handbook for the Revolution*, distills their experience into a guide for organizing, emphasizing consistency, empathy, and the belief that even the most powerful corporations can be challenged when workers unite. The conversation underscores a profound shift in power: workers are not just employees but agents of change. Conover and Palmer emphasize that unionizing isn’t about revenge or wealth redistribution—it’s about dignity, voice, and the right to shape one’s own workplace. The episode closes with a call to action: if Amazon workers can win, so can others. Palmer’s decision to remain on the job until the contract is secured symbolizes the deep commitment to community and collective struggle. The story is both a historical milestone and a living blueprint for future movements.

Key Takeaways
1

Organizing starts with listening—not preaching. Ask workers what they need, not what you think they should want.

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The 'inside-outside' approach—building trust within the workplace while engaging outside support—was key to defeating Amazon’s anti-union campaign.

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Worker power comes from solidarity, not external saviors. Unions must be led by the workers themselves.

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Even after victory, the fight continues: legal delays, worker discouragement, and internal conflicts require constant organizing.

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A union contract isn’t just about pay—it’s about dignity, sick time, personal time, seniority, and the right to be seen as a person, not a number.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Power of Organizing Against the Impossible

The only way forward in the United States is for those of us with less power to organize and fight back against all of those systems that are oppressing us.

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10:00
10 min

The Pandemic Spark: When Safety Was Denied

You're starving and you're being asked to ship out food, you know? Exactly.

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20:00
10 min

From Walkout to Movement: The First Steps

The team’s first walkout on March 30, 2020, drew media attention and galvanized workers. They used break rooms and social media to spread awareness, building trust through personal conversations and shared stories.

30:00
10 min

Learning from Failure: The Bessemer Lesson

Don’t just look at your heroes. Look at the people who don't make it, you know, in all walks of life.

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40:00
10 min

The Inside-Outside Strategy: Building Trust

We were consistent and we were fearless. That would that combination there alone, you know, is very powerful.

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High-Impact Quotes
Power means you can do it whether or not they like it. They don't get to make you not do it like you.
Adam Conover55:33
Viral: 92.0
Now, if the whole country gets unionized under Amazon, I mean all the Amazon works unionized now other companies are going to follow suit.
Derrick Palmer51:03
Viral: 90.0
You gotta let them know like we don't have what we need yet and the workers are suffering while we're sitting here fighting for something that's meaningless.
Derrick Palmer44:22
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

Adam Conover

Guest

Derrick Palmer
Topics Discussed
Amazon Unionization98%Worker Organizing95%Worker Solidarity92%Labor Rights90%Grassroots Movements88%Corporate Power87%Pandemic Workplace Safety85%Union Contracts80%
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Amazon

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Amazon Labor Union

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JFK8

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Adam Conover

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Pandemic

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Derrick Palmer

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12xPositive

Factually! with Adam Conover

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10xPositive

Handbook for the Revolution

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Bessemer

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8xNegative

Union (film)

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6xPositive

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