Still Grieving Years Later? You’re Not Doing It Wrong
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This episode of Everyone Dies explores the profound and often misunderstood experience of grieving in the fifth year after a loved one's death. Host Marianne Matzow, a nurse practitioner with 48 years of experience, and actor Charlie Navarette discuss how grief doesn't follow a linear timeline, and that emotional waves can resurface unexpectedly—even years later—without indicating anything is wrong. Drawing from personal stories, including a blog by Christy from North Pittsburgh and Charlie’s own experience with the murder of his son Michael, the episode emphasizes that grief is not a sign of failure but a testament to deep love. Practical advice is offered, from screaming in your car to journaling gratitude, walking in nature, and allowing space for ugly cries. The episode also features a surprising look at funeral music trends, including the unexpected popularity of the Jaws theme, and a reflective poem by Wendell Berry about meeting a deceased friend in a dream. The overarching message is that time doesn’t heal grief—it’s what you do with time that matters, and self-compassion is essential.
Grief in the fifth year is normal and doesn’t mean you’re failing to move on.
Sudden waves of grief are not a setback—they’re part of the ongoing relationship with loss.
Self-compassion, not self-judgment, is crucial during the grieving process.
Creative expression—writing, crying, walking, music—can help process emotions.
Changing traditions can reduce pain while still honoring the loved one.
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Introduction to Grief in the Fifth Year
“You would think that after five years, grief should get easier. But then it hits you out of nowhere, like it just happened.”
Charlie’s Weather and Garden Metaphor
Charlie shares a personal anecdote about spring arriving early in New York City, using the garden’s sudden growth as a metaphor for the dissonance between external change and internal emotional readiness.
Funeral Music Trends and Recipe of the Week
Charlie presents a quirky list of top funeral songs, including Jaws theme and Dance Monkey, and shares a recipe for spiced party nuts, blending humor with reflection on how music and food mark life’s transitions.
Christy’s 16 Lessons on Grieving in the Fifth Year
“Time doesn't lessen grief. It's what you do with that time.”
Charlie’s Death Cafe Experience and Memory of His Son
“There we are. I'm glad you had that. Me too.”
“Time doesn't lessen grief. It's what you do with that time.”
“Just keep going one minute at a time, one hour at a time, then one day.”
“You would think that after five years, grief should get easier. But then it hits you out of nowhere, like it just happened.”
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Charlie Navarette
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Marianne Matzow
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Michael
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Christy
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Wendell Berry
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Jaws
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Adam Sumner
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John Williams
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The Man in Black
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Willie Nelson
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