Talking policy with the US Department of Energy (Ep. 241)
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The Department of Energy's Director of Policy, Ashley Nunes, delivers a sharp, contrarian take on energy policy at CERA Week 2026, arguing that the U.S. should abandon the myth of 'clean energy' in favor of a pragmatic focus on affordability, reliability, and dispatchability. She contends that intermittent sources like solar are economically misleading without massive battery storage—and that storage, in turn, often relies on hydrocarbons, undermining the clean energy narrative. Nunes emphasizes that true energy abundance, not ideological purity, should be the goal, and that nuclear power—especially small modular reactors (SMRs)—is a key to achieving it. She also challenges the assumption that electric vehicles (EVs) are displacing internal combustion engines, revealing that most EV buyers already own gas cars, meaning overall vehicle numbers—and emissions—are rising. The conversation reveals a department prioritizing consumer choice, economic mobility, and real-world performance over political symbolism, with a clear message: energy policy must serve people, not ideology.
Dispatchability—energy being available when needed—is more important than cost or 'clean' labels in determining real economic value.
Solar energy’s true cost increases dramatically when paired with battery storage, which often requires backup hydrocarbon generation.
Most EVs are purchased by households that already own internal combustion engine vehicles, meaning overall vehicle count and emissions are rising.
Small modular reactors (SMRs) are a game-changer for energy abundance, offering low-cost, reliable power with high scalability.
The energy sector pays $20,000–$25,000 more on average than solar/wind roles, a key lever to attract talent.
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Welcome to CERA Week 2026: Energy Policy in the Trump Administration
Hosts Till Vaden and Sam Humphries welcome Ashley Nunes, Director of Policy at the U.S. Department of Energy, for an impromptu conversation at CERA Week 2026, setting the stage for a candid discussion on energy policy, affordability, and the role of government.
The Myth of 'Clean Energy' and the Reality of Dispatchability
“Something can be cheap. But if it is not there when you need it, then its inherent economic value to you as the consumer is very low.”
The Hidden Cost of Solar + Storage and the Role of Hydrocarbons
“When you do that, you fundamentally alter the economics of solar energy. What that means invariably is that you need to have a backup source of some sort, and usually that ends up being a hydrocarbon.”
Energy Abundance, Workforce Development, and Wage Disparities
Nunes discusses how the DOE is working to attract young talent into energy careers by highlighting high wages—especially in oil and gas, which pay $20,000–$25,000 more than solar/wind roles—and targeting colleges and technical schools to close workforce gaps.
Nuclear Power, SMRs, and the Future of Reliable Energy
“The advent of SMRs... is something that I'm truly excited about. You know, because when you look at the cost curve for that particular technology, it really has the ability to dramatically improve the standard of living for individuals while concurrently lowering the price.”
“The majority of electric vehicles are sold to households that also own internal combustion engines. What that means is that the electric car isn't actually replacing the internal combustion engine. It's just adding to the number of vehicles in your household.”
“When you do that, you fundamentally alter the economics of solar energy. What that means invariably is that you need to have a backup source of some sort, and usually that ends up being a hydrocarbon.”
“of small modular reactors, is something that I'm truly excited about. You know, because when you look at the cost curve for that particular technology, it really has the ability to dramatically improve the standard of living for individuals while concurrently lowering the price.”
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