מנחות צה 5786
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This episode of Daf Yomi: The 35 Minute Daf explores the intricate halachic discussion surrounding the lechem ha'panim—the twelve loaves placed on the shulchan in the Mishkan—during the Israelites' journey through the Midbar. The central question is whether the breads become disqualified (pussel) when the Mishkan is disassembled and traveling, particularly if they are removed from their designated spot on the shulchan. The Gemara presents a machlokas between Rabbi Yochanan and Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish: one holds that removal from the shulchan disqualifies the breads, while the other maintains they remain kosher as long as they are within the traveling Mishkan’s sanctity. The discussion delves into the nature of the Mishkan as a mobile sanctuary, the concept of 'makom' (place), and the halachic status of items when the Mishkan is in motion. The episode also examines the timing of the bread’s baking, resolving a potential contradiction by distinguishing between sanctification at the time of baking versus placement on the shulchan. Additional topics include the measurements of the shulchan and lechem ha'panim, the placement of the frankincense (b'zich levona), and the use of rods (khanom) to preserve the breads, which were removed on Shabbos and reinserted on Motza’ei Shabbos—considered a doreisa-level construction, thus not violating Shabbos. The episode concludes with a preview of the next day’s daf, which will begin with the Gemara following the Mishnah.
The lechem ha'panim remain kosher even during travel as long as they are within the sanctity of the traveling Mishkan, not just physically on the shulchan.
Sanctification of the lechem ha'panim occurs only when placed on the shulchan, not during baking—even if baked in a kli kodesh.
The Mishkan’s mobility does not negate its sanctity; it remains 'Omoed' (tent of meeting) even while traveling.
The rods (khanom) used to support the breads were removed on Shabbos and reinserted on Motza’ei Shabbos, a practice considered doreisa-level construction and thus not a Shabbos violation.
The breads were baked in a non-kodesh oven outside the Azarah, and only became sanctified upon placement on the shulchan.
The Machlokas on Lechem HaPanim During Travel
“When the breads are still on the Shulchan, even when they travel, everybody agrees that the breads are always supposed to be on the Shulchan, right? From week to week, they stay the whole week on the Shulchan. If they were traveling and they took the Shulchan with them, it's also if the breads are on the Shulchan, there's no problem. It's okay. It stays kosher. It's not disqualified.”
Sanctification Timing and the Baking Process
“The Tanur was sanctified. The Tanur was inside the base of Mikdash. That was sanctified. You don't have to say that all Midas the Elvish had the same rule. The dry measures which they measured the flower with, that was not holy. That was done outside the base of Mikdash. Whereas the Tanur was inside.”
The Role of Tradition and the Machlokas of Yudah and Shimon
“Reb Shimon Omer of the Mishra said, We should always know to say, even outside of the Azar in Yisholai, so you see here, because the way he says it is that you should always know I have like, say, I have such a tradition.”
Measurements, Structure, and the Shulchan's Design
The episode details the precise measurements of the shulchan and lechem ha'panim, including the length, width, and height of the breads, and how they were arranged on the shulchan. It explains how the breads were folded up to fit on the shulchan and the significance of the horns and the frankincense placement.
Conclusion and Preview for Next Daf
The episode concludes with a summary of the day’s learning, noting that the rods (khanom) were removed on Shabbos and reinserted on Motza’ei Shabbos, a practice considered doreisa-level construction and thus not a Shabbos violation. The hosts preview the next day’s daf, which will begin with the Gemara after the Mishnah.
“When the breads are still on the Shulchan, even when they travel, everybody agrees that the breads are always supposed to be on the Shulchan, right? From week to week, they stay the whole week on the Shulchan. If they were traveling and they took the Shulchan with them, it's also if the breads are on the Shulchan, there's no problem. It's okay. It stays kosher. It's not disqualified.”
“The Tanur was sanctified. The Tanur was inside the base of Mikdash. That was sanctified. You don't have to say that all Midas the Elvish had the same rule. The dry measures which they measured the flower with, that was not holy. That was done outside the base of Mikdash. Whereas the Tanur was inside.”
“Reb Shimon Omer of the Mishra said, We should always know to say, even outside of the Azar in Yisholai, so you see here, because the way he says it is that you should always know I have like, say, I have such a tradition.”
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Lechem HaPanim
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Mishkan
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Shulchan
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Shabbos
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Kli Kodesh
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Azarah
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Rabbi Yochanan
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Khanom
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Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish
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Rabbi Yudah
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