Menachot 72 מנחות ע״ב

Daf Yomi by Darren Platzky - in English44mApril 7, 2026

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This episode of Daf Yomi by Darren Platzky explores Menachot 72, focusing on the intricate halachic debates surrounding the harvesting of grain before the Omer offering. The discussion centers on the machloket (dispute) between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon regarding when one may harvest for animals or humans before the third of the grain has grown. The host unpacks the reasoning behind each opinion, particularly emphasizing Rabbi Meir's alignment with Rabbi Shimon and the implications of whether harvesting for animals constitutes a 'beginning of harvesting' that splits the field for purposes of terumah and ma'aser. A key point of analysis involves distinguishing between human-initiated harvesting (ketsirah) and natural destruction by animals, insects, or weather, and how that affects the halachic status of the field. The episode also delves into the broader principle of 'doche Shabbos'—when a mitzvah overrides Shabbat—and examines how the timing of the Omer offering (specifically at night) interacts with Shabbat. The host clarifies that while the mitzvah is ideally performed at night, if it cannot be done then, it may be done the next day, especially if the process has already begun. This leads to a deeper discussion on whether the Omer is truly 'doche Shabbos' or if it's a case of 'cheshavaz'—doing a mitzvah in its proper time even when it could be delayed. The episode concludes with a reflection on the historical relationship between Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Akiva, and how their respective opinions shape the Talmudic discourse. Key takeaways include: 1) Harvesting for animals before a third of the grain has grown does not split the field into two for terumah purposes if done by humans; 2) Natural destruction (by insects or weather) does not constitute ketsirah and thus doesn’t trigger the same halachic rules; 3) The Omer offering must ideally be harvested at night, but if Shabbat interferes, it may be done the following day; 4) The principle of 'doche Shabbos' applies not only when a mitzvah cannot be done at another time, but also when it is best performed in its proper time; 5) Rabbi Meir’s position aligns with Rabbi Shimon, not Rabbi Yehuda, and this has implications for the structure of the Mishnah. The tone is analytical and deeply engaged, with moments of humor and personal reflection, reflecting the host’s passion for Talmudic study.

Key Takeaways
1

Harvesting for animals before a third of the grain has grown does not split the field into two for terumah and ma'aser purposes.

2

Natural destruction (by insects, wind, or animals) is not considered 'ketsirah' and thus does not trigger the same halachic rules as human-initiated harvesting.

3

The Omer offering must ideally be harvested at night, but if Shabbat prevents this, it may be done the following day.

4

A mitzvah can be 'doche Shabbos' not only when it cannot be done at another time, but also when it is best performed in its proper time.

5

Rabbi Meir’s opinion aligns with Rabbi Shimon, not Rabbi Yehuda, regarding the permissibility of early harvesting.

Chapters
0:00
10 min

Introduction and Context: The Omer and Early Harvesting

The host begins by acknowledging his position at the top of the Amud and sets the stage for the discussion of Menachot 72, focusing on the Mishnah's debate between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon regarding harvesting before the Omer. He clarifies the distinction between harvesting for animals and humans, and introduces the core question: whether early harvesting splits the field for terumah and ma'aser.

10:00
10 min

The Machloket Between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon

The host unpacks the dispute between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon on when harvesting is permitted before the Omer. Rabbi Yehuda limits it to before a third of the grain has grown, while Rabbi Shimon allows it even after. The discussion explores how this affects the halachic status of the field and whether such harvesting constitutes a 'beginning of harvesting' that splits the field.

20:00
10 min

Natural Destruction vs. Human Harvesting

The host analyzes the distinction between harvesting done by humans and destruction caused by animals, insects, or weather. He argues that natural destruction does not constitute 'ketsirah' and thus does not split the field, even if the grain has reached a third of its growth.

30:00
10 min

The Timing of the Omer and Shabbat

The discussion turns to the halachic requirement to harvest the Omer at night. The host explores the tension between this requirement and Shabbat, explaining that if the mitzvah cannot be done at night, it may be done the following day, especially if the process has already begun.

40:00
10 min

The Principle of 'Doche Shabbos' and 'Cheshavaz'

Sometimes it's not only things that can't be done any other time on Doche Shabbos. Sometimes if the Iker Mitzvah is to do it, you also doke Shabbos.

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High-Impact Quotes
Sometimes it's not only things that can't be done any other time on Doche Shabbos. Sometimes if the Iker Mitzvah is to do it, you also doke Shabbos.
Darren Platzky33:10
Viral: 85.0
The Omer must ideally be harvested at night, but if Shabbat prevents this, it may be done the following day.
Darren Platzky69:19
Viral: 75.0
The Omer offering must ideally be harvested at night, but if Shabbat prevents this, it may be done the following day.
Darren Platzky69:19
Viral: 75.0
Speakers

Host

Darren Platzky
Topics Discussed
Harvesting Before the Omer95%Doche Shabbos and Mitzvah Timing92%Machloket Between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon90%Splitting Fields for Terumah and Ma'aser88%The Omer Offering and Shabbat87%Natural Destruction vs Human Harvesting85%Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Akiva75%Korban Tamid and Shabbat70%
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Shabbat

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Rabbi Shimon

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Omer

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Rabbi Meir

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15xPositive

Mishnah

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12xNeutral

Rabbi Yehuda

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12xNeutral

Gemara

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Rabbi Akiva

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10xPositive

Rashi

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8xPositive

Terumah

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