Washington's Tariff Whack-a-Mole

Cato Podcast22mMay 12, 2026

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In this episode of the Cato Podcast, Clark Packard and Alfredo Carrillo Obregón discuss Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, the legal basis for President Trump's latest tariffs, following the U.S. Supreme Court's invalidation of earlier tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEPA). The Court of International Trade recently struck down the Section 122 tariffs, ruling that the administration improperly conflated a trade deficit with a balance of payments deficit—a distinction rooted in outdated fixed exchange rate frameworks. The court emphasized that Section 122 requires a genuine, large-scale balance of payments crisis, which does not exist under today’s floating exchange rate system. While the ruling only blocks tariff collection for the two private plaintiffs and the state of Washington, the administration has appealed, and tariffs remain in effect for other importers. The episode underscores that Section 122 was intended as a temporary bridge to permanent Section 301 tariffs, which are now being pursued through investigations on excess capacity and forced labor involving dozens of countries. The hosts argue that without congressional action to reclaim tariff authority, the executive branch will continue cycling through legal loopholes in a game of 'whack-a-mole,' undermining trade stability and harming American businesses and global relations. Key takeaways include: (1) Section 122 tariffs are legally flawed because they misrepresent a trade deficit as a balance of payments crisis; (2) The U.S. does not face a balance of payments problem under current floating exchange rates; (3) Courts are limiting executive overreach, but only Congress can permanently rein in tariff power; (4) Section 301 investigations are the next step in the administration’s tariff strategy; (5) Refunds for illegally collected tariffs remain uncertain and may require lengthy legal processes; (6) The current system incentivizes executive overreach and undermines international trust; (7) American businesses and consumers bear the cost of these tariffs; (8) Long-term reform requires legislative action, not judicial patchwork.

Key Takeaways
1

Section 122 tariffs are legally invalid because they misrepresent a trade deficit as a balance of payments crisis.

2

The U.S. does not have a balance of payments problem under floating exchange rates—trade deficits are offset by capital inflows.

3

The judiciary is checking executive overreach, but only Congress can permanently limit tariff authority.

4

Section 301 investigations on excess capacity and forced labor are the next phase in the administration’s tariff strategy.

5

Refunds for illegally collected tariffs are uncertain and may require legal action or administrative hurdles.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction to Section 122 and the Legal Context

Clark Packard and Alfredo Carrillo Obregón introduce Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, the legal basis for the latest tariffs, and explain the context of the Supreme Court’s recent invalidation of IEPA tariffs.

2:00
3 min

The Historical Origins of Section 122

Alfredo explains the historical context of the balance of payments, tracing its roots to the fixed exchange rate system and the Nixon Shock of 1971, which ended dollar convertibility to gold.

5:00
5 min

Why the U.S. Doesn’t Have a Balance of Payments Problem Today

Once you take a broader perspective and you also incorporate financial flows into the figure, it turns out it's very hard to make the argument that the United States has large and serious balance of payments deficits.

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10:00
5 min

The Court of International Trade Ruling and Constitutional Concerns

An unlimited reading of the statute would raise serious constitutional problems. If the court granted the administration's interpretation, it would effectively grant the president unlimited tariff authority.

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15:00
5 min

The Practical Impact and Future of Section 122 Tariffs

The ruling is significant... but in terms of systemic impact, it doesn't necessarily amount to much in light of these other authorities that the executive is probably going to turn to in the future.

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High-Impact Quotes
An unlimited reading of the statute would raise serious constitutional problems. If the court granted the administration's interpretation, it would effectively grant the president unlimited tariff authority.
Clark Packard11:53
Viral: 90.0
We're sort of playing a game of whack-a-mole, right? Where, okay, this set of tariffs is struck down and then the administration and the president will get it to some other tariff authority.
Clark Packard21:27
Viral: 88.0
Until Congress does that, I think we're sort of playing a game of whack-a-mole.
Clark Packard21:23
Viral: 87.0
Speakers

Hosts

Clark PackardAlfredo Carrillo Obregón
Topics Discussed
Section 122 Tariff Authority95%Balance of Payments vs Trade Deficit90%Executive Overreach in Trade Policy88%Congressional Role in Trade Authority87%Judicial Review of Tariff Authority85%Section 301 Investigations80%Floating Exchange Rates and Monetary Policy75%Tariff Refund Processes70%
People & Brands

Section 122

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18xNegative

Alfredo Carrillo Obregón

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15xNeutral

Trade Act of 1974

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14xNeutral

Clark Packard

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12xNeutral

President Trump

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9xNegative

Court of International Trade

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8xNeutral

Section 301

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8xNeutral

U.S. Dollar

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7xNeutral

International Emergency Economic Powers Act

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6xNegative

Fixed Exchange Rate System

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6xNeutral

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