Hour 3 - Here's The Thing, Jeff Passan

Brock and Salk45mApril 23, 2026

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The Mariners' early-season struggles are being overblown, according to ESPN's Jeff Passan, who argues that the team's individual performances—especially from Julio Rodríguez, Cal Raleigh, and Josh Naylor—will eventually coalesce into a winning record. Despite a 3-6 mark in one-run games and a shaky bullpen, Passan emphasizes that the American League West is so weak that the Mariners are in a perfectly healthy position. He dismisses panic, noting that even teams with poor early records like the 2023 Braves and Yankees were still division contenders. On the pitching front, Logan Gilbert’s early-season decline in ground ball rate and deep outings is concerning, but Passan highlights his elite Stuff Plus and Pitching Plus rankings—placing him among the top eight pitchers in baseball—suggesting a rebound is likely. The episode also dives into the Seahawks' draft strategy, with speculation that they’ll target a cornerback or edge rusher at No. 32, while the hosts mock the absurdity of a GM needing counseling during the NFL Draft weekend. A standout moment comes when Passan teases an upcoming podcast episode featuring Cal Raleigh, promising a 'delightful 45' minutes of content that’s already in edit. The show’s signature blend of humor and sports analysis shines through, from mocking a fan’s 'bologna sandwich' rant to debating the ethics of platoons. Passan’s data-driven perspective cuts through the noise, reinforcing that short-term results don’t define long-term success.

Key Takeaways
1

The Mariners are not in crisis despite a 3-6 record in one-run games—weakness in the AL West makes their position perfectly viable.

2

Logan Gilbert’s 33% ground ball rate this season is concerning, but his elite Stuff Plus (14th best) and Pitching Plus (8th best) rankings suggest a rebound is likely.

3

Jeff Passan confirms an upcoming podcast episode with Cal Raleigh will be released next Tuesday—already in edit and described as 'delightful'.

4

Platoons are functionally sound despite being frustrating for fans; the Mariners’ process-oriented strategy maximizes lineup efficiency over time.

5

The Seahawks are likely to pick a cornerback or edge rusher at No. 32, with Zion Young and Malachi Lawrence as top mock draft targets.

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Chapters
0:00
17 min

Opening Chaos: Fan Rants, Nicknames, and the Super Bowl Afterglow

The episode kicks off with a barrage of listener messages, including frustration over the Seahawks' draft wait and outrage over the Mariners' platoon system. The hosts roast a caller’s 'bologna sandwich' rant and debate the merits of nicknames, with Lyle being called a 'willfully ignorant houseplant'. The emotional high of the Super Bowl win is contrasted with the quiet of the current offseason.

16:40
17 min

The Mariners’ Early Struggles: Panic or Perspective?

The Mariners are a perfectly good position. And there is nothing to worry about, nothing to panic about at this point. It is way too early for that.

Highlight
33:20
17 min

Logan Gilbert’s Decline: Data vs. Perception

He's ahead of Nolan McClain, Christopher Sanchez, Chase Burns, Brian Wu, Max Freed, Logan Webb, Reed Detmers, and George Kirby.

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50:00
17 min

The Draft, Platoon Debates, and the GM’s Counseling Crisis

The idea of, hey, you got seven guys that are worth playing every day and let's maximize those other spot or two in order to get the most out of it makes sense.

Highlight
1:06:40
12 min

Jeff Passan’s Secret Podcast: Cal Raleigh’s ‘Delightful’ Episode

I can confidently tell you that episode three of Sources tell Jeff Passan will feature the one and only Cal Raleigh and that there is nothing that is stopping this episode from getting out there.

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High-Impact Quotes
i can confidently tell you that episode three of sources tell jeff passan will feature the one and only cal rally and that there is nothing that is stopping this episode from getting out there
Jeff Passan44:35
Viral: 92.0
the Mariners are a perfectly good position. And there is nothing to worry about, nothing to panic about at this point. It is way... Way too early for
Jeff Passan28:56
Viral: 88.0
He's ahead of Nolan McClain, Christopher Sanchez, Chase Burns, Brian Wu, Max Freed, Logan Webb, Reed Detmers, and George Kirby.
Jeff Passan38:39
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Brock HewardMike Salk

Guest

Jeff Passan
Topics Discussed
cal raleigh95%mariners baseball95%logan gilbert90%seahawks draft85%pitching analytics80%platoon system75%nfl draft70%sports radio culture65%
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Mike Salk

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Logan Gilbert

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Jeff Passan

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Cal Raleigh

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Lyle Perkup

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Julio Rodríguez

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Josh Naylor

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