Empower U - Greg Lawson - Property Taxes and Data Centers
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In this episode of the 55KRC Morning Show, host Brian Thomas welcomes Greg Lawson, senior research fellow at the Buckeye Institute, to discuss the complex issue of property taxes in Ohio. Lawson explains that property taxes fund a vast array of local services—including schools, public safety, senior and children's services—and generate approximately $24 billion annually, more than Ohio's combined state income and sales tax revenues. He warns that eliminating property taxes overnight would cause chaos, as there is no immediate replacement mechanism, and highlights the structural inefficiencies in Ohio’s fragmented local government system, with thousands of overlapping jurisdictions, including tiny villages with minimal services. Lawson advocates for a deliberate, strategic reform process—using legislative tools and grassroots engagement—rather than a sudden constitutional overhaul. He emphasizes the need to rethink how services are delivered efficiently, citing southern and western states as models with fewer layers of government. The conversation also touches on the Ohio Supreme Court’s long-standing ruling that the current school funding system is unconstitutional due to its reliance on property taxes, underscoring the urgency for systemic reform. The episode concludes with a call to action to attend the Empower U seminar featuring Lawson and Christopher Smithman on the future of Cincinnati.
Property taxes in Ohio fund over $24 billion in local services annually—more than the state’s income and sales tax combined.
Ohio’s fragmented local government system, with thousands of overlapping jurisdictions, creates inefficiencies and hinders reform.
Eliminating property taxes overnight would lead to chaos or force drastic alternatives like doubling sales taxes, harming Ohio’s competitiveness.
Reform must be strategic and incremental, using legislative tools and grassroots engagement to consolidate services and reduce government layers.
The Ohio Supreme Court has ruled school funding unconstitutional for decades due to property tax dependence—yet no fundamental change has occurred.
The Scale and Impact of Ohio's Property Tax System
“If you look at all the property tax that are raised throughout the state of Ohio, it's around $24 billion, which is more than double what the state brings in through the state income tax.”
The Challenge of Eliminating Property Taxes Overnight
“You're either going to have chaos, as you were mentioning, or you're going to have – super, super high taxes in other ways like sales tax that would be doubling or more, which would be a competitive disadvantage for the state of Ohio.”
Structural Inefficiencies in Ohio’s Local Government
Lawson critiques Ohio’s legacy of excessive local jurisdictions—like villages with fewer than 1,000 residents—that collect taxes but deliver minimal services, calling for consolidation and efficiency.
The Need for Strategic, Grassroots Reform
Lawson argues that reform must be deliberate and not crisis-driven, advocating for legislative action and community-level engagement to streamline government layers over time.
The Constitutional Crisis in School Funding
“That was a couple of decades ago, and I think you know it. I know it. That hasn't changed.”
“You're either going to have chaos, as you were mentioning, or you're going to have – super, super high taxes in other ways like sales tax that would be doubling or more, which would be a competitive disadvantage for the state of Ohio.”
“If you look at all the property tax that are raised throughout the state of Ohio, it's around $24 billion, which is more than double what the state brings in through the state income tax.”
“We need to be taking scalpels to this. We should have been doing this years ago, by the way. It's really a shame that we're – it's a shame we haven't had this conversation.”
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Greg Lawson
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Buckeye Institute
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Empower You America
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55KRC
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Christopher Smithman
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Ohio Supreme Court
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Ad Council
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Americans for Prosperity
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