380: Blood Sugar, Food Noise + How to Control Hunger | Dr. Jason Fung

Be Well by Kelly Leveque1h 14mApril 8, 2026

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In this episode of Be Well by Kelly Levesque, Dr. Jason Fung dives deep into the science of hunger and weight regulation, challenging the long-standing 'calories in, calories out' myth. He explains that weight gain and loss are not simply about calorie counting but are driven by hormones—especially insulin and cortisol—that regulate a biological 'body fat thermostat.' Ultra-processed foods, which disrupt the food matrix and spike insulin rapidly, are shown to be a primary driver of overeating and metabolic dysfunction. Fung outlines three types of hunger—homeostatic (physical), hedonic (emotional/pleasure-driven), and conditioned (habitual/social)—and emphasizes that modern food environments are engineered to exploit these pathways through addictive ingredients and behavioral conditioning. He advocates for a shift in focus from calories to food quality, fasting, and environmental redesign, offering practical strategies like avoiding ultra-processed foods, incorporating natural fasting periods, and reengineering social and physical environments to reduce 'food noise.' The conversation underscores that hunger is not a personal failing but a physiological response shaped by food processing, hormones, and social habits, and that lasting change requires understanding the root causes of hunger rather than blaming willpower.

Key Takeaways
1

Hunger is driven by hormones, not just calories—insulin and cortisol are key regulators of body fat set points.

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Ultra-processed foods spike insulin and blood sugar rapidly, leading to overeating and weight gain, even with the same calorie count as whole foods.

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There are three types of hunger: homeostatic (physical), hedonic (emotional/pleasure), and conditioned (habitual/social), each requiring different strategies to manage.

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Food environments are designed to exploit hedonic and conditioned hunger through addictive ingredients and social conditioning (e.g., snacks at sports games).

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Sustainable weight management requires focusing on food quality, fasting, and redesigning your environment—not just calorie restriction.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Myth of Calories in, Calories Out

It's not the number of calories. It's not just the number of calories. It's also what happens to those calories and that's determined by hormones.

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10:00
10 min

The Body Fat Thermostat and Hormonal Control

If your body is carrying too much weight, why is your body fat thermostat set so high, right? What's raising it and what lowers it?

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20:00
20 min

Ultra-Processed Foods and the Food Matrix

The ultra-processed carbohydrates are in a sense pre-digested. They practically melt in your mouth.

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40:00
20 min

The Three Types of Hunger: Homeostatic, Hedonic, and Conditioned

You're not addicted to natural food. You're addicted to ultra-processed foods because it's that speed of absorption.

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1:00:00
20 min

Food Addiction, Dopamine, and Behavioral Conditioning

The episode examines how ultra-processed foods are engineered to maximize dopamine release and minimize satiety, creating addictive behaviors. Fung discusses how social rituals (e.g., snacks at soccer games) condition people to eat even when not hungry.

High-Impact Quotes
If your body is carrying too much weight, why is your body fat thermostat set so high, right? What's raising it and what lowers it?
Dr. Jason Fung9:14
Viral: 90.0
You're not addicted to natural food. You're addicted to ultra-processed foods because it's that speed of absorption.
Dr. Jason Fung41:14
Viral: 88.0
It's not the number of calories. It's not just the number of calories. It's also what happens to those calories and that's determined by hormones.
Dr. Jason Fung4:18
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Kelly Levesque

Guest

Dr. Jason Fung
Topics Discussed
Hunger Hormones95%Ultra-Processed Foods90%Body Fat Thermostat88%Food Addiction85%Conditioned Hunger82%Blood Sugar Regulation80%Fasting and Metabolic Health78%Social and Environmental Influences on Eating75%
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