Hour 2: Phil Simms Spotlight: Dexter Lawrence Trade & Giants Pick 10

Bart & Carlin45mApril 20, 2026

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The Bart & Carlin Podcast's Hour 2 spotlight features former Giants quarterback Phil Simms, who breaks down the latest NFL draft developments, particularly focusing on the Giants' trade of Dexter Lawrence to the Bengals for a first-round pick. Simms praises the move as a strategic win for the Giants, enabling them to bolster their roster with the 10th overall pick while addressing Lawrence’s age and contract concerns. He expresses excitement about potential draft targets like Arbel Reese, David Bailey, and Jeremiah Love, emphasizing the importance of drafting talent regardless of position fit. Simms also discusses the Jets’ high pick count and the value of drafting from winning college programs, referencing Bill Parcells’ philosophy. The episode then shifts to broader league news, including the Steelers’ uncertainty around Aaron Rodgers’ future, potential trades involving A.J. Brown and T.J. Watt, and the Cardinals’ quarterback situation with Jacoby Brissett seeking a raise. The hosts debate the depth of the quarterback class, now diminished by injuries and poor performances, and question whether teams are overvaluing certain prospects. The conversation closes with a lively exchange on draft strategy, team culture, and the unpredictability of the upcoming NFL season.

Key Takeaways
1

The Giants' trade of Dexter Lawrence for a first-round pick is a strategic win that enhances their draft flexibility.

2

Phil Simms advocates for drafting the best available player regardless of position, citing Bill Parcells’ philosophy.

3

David Bailey is a strong fit for the Jets despite concerns about run defense, with Simms praising his edge-setting and athleticism.

4

The quarterback class, once hailed as deep, has been significantly diminished by injuries and underperformance.

5

Teams like the Steelers may need to rebuild, with T.J. Watt and other high-salary players potentially being traded.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

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2:25
3 min

Phil Simms Spotlight: Giants & Jets Draft Outlook

I would say no. I think they had to do it. They want a person or getting a player that can do it right now.

Highlight
5:30
5 min

Dexter Lawrence Trade: Giants’ Strategic Win

They've got to get a lot better on defense so their offense has more opportunities and not put under the gun that we've got to score 35 points today to have a chance.

Highlight
10:00
5 min

Draft Targets: Bailey, Reese, and Jeremiah Love

Jeremiah Love, when he runs, reminds me of Gail Sayers. Wow. Now people are not going to remember that. Maybe it's not quite as demonstrative, but it's damn close.

Highlight
15:00
5 min

Quarterback Class Reassessment

The hosts and Simms discuss the decline of the quarterback class, with many top prospects underperforming or getting injured, leading to skepticism about their long-term value.

High-Impact Quotes
Jeremiah Love, when he runs, reminds me of Gail Sayers. Wow. Now people are not going to remember that. Maybe it's not quite as demonstrative, but it's damn close.
Phil Simms9:26
Viral: 90.0
I would say no. I think they had to do it. They want a person or getting a player that can do it right now.
Phil Simms3:53
Viral: 85.0
You don't throw over him. I don't care how tall you are. When a 6'5 defensive lineman raises his hand, you've got to throw around it.
Phil Simms12:11
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Hosts

Bart ScottChris Carlin

Guest

Phil Simms
Topics Discussed
Dexter Lawrence Trade95%NFL Draft Strategy90%Quarterback Class Evaluation85%Team Rebuilds80%Drafting from Winning Programs75%Injury Risk in Draft Picks70%Contract Negotiations65%Team Culture and Leadership60%
People & Brands

Giants

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20xPositive

New York Giants

other

18xPositive

Phil Simms

person

15xPositive

Jets

other

14xPositive

Dexter Lawrence

person

12xNeutral

Bart Scott

person

10xPositive

Chris Carlin

person

10xPositive

Aaron Rodgers

person

9xNeutral

Bengals

other

8xNeutral

Arizona Cardinals

other

8xNeutral

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