Hour 1: Have We Underestimated the Hawks?
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In this episode of the Bart & Carlin Podcast, the hosts dive into the Knicks' first-round matchup against the Atlanta Hawks, questioning whether facing a tougher opponent is actually beneficial for their postseason run. Bart and Carlin debate the notion that a challenging first-round series could 'harden' the Knicks for a tougher second-round battle with the Celtics, with Carlin arguing that the path of least resistance—avoiding unnecessary fatigue—is smarter. They highlight concerns about the Knicks' fragility, especially with key players like Jalen Brunson and OG Anunoby, and express skepticism about the idea that a grueling series with Atlanta would build character. The discussion also touches on the Hawks' surprising resurgence after trading Trae Young, their 19-5 run in their last 24 games, and the potential impact of players like C.J. McCollum and Jalen Johnson. The hosts emphasize that the Knicks must stay healthy and focused, and that the real test isn't the Hawks—it's whether the team can elevate when it matters most, particularly with Carl Anthony Towns needing to be engaged offensively and defensively. The episode blends sports analysis with humor, including a running gag about breaking the 'Piston Swear Jar 2.0' and a playful debate over whether Towns or Jalen Duren is more skilled.
The Knicks should prioritize rest and health over facing a tougher first-round opponent, even if it means avoiding a 'war' early.
The Hawks' 19-5 surge since trading Trae Young makes them a dangerous, motivated team—not a cakewalk.
Carl Anthony Towns must be engaged offensively and defensively; his performance is the X-factor in the series.
A high pick-and-roll with Jalen Brunson and Towns is a strategic move to keep Towns involved and effective.
The Knicks’ depth and bench strength are assets, but their veteran core’s fragility remains a concern.
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The Piston Swear Jar 2.0 & the Hawks Matchup Debate
“If you're afraid of a first-round opponent, if there's a team that you're like, I don't know if I can beat them, then you know you're not. You're not a championship contender.”
Is Atlanta the Better First-Round Test?
The hosts analyze whether the Hawks, despite being a stronger team than Toronto, are a better opponent for the Knicks. They question the logic of seeking adversity early and argue that the Knicks should aim for a path of least resistance to preserve energy for the Celtics.
Carl Anthony Towns vs. Jalen Duren: Skills & Impact
“Carl Anthony Towns averages 20.1 points and 11.9 rebounds. Jalen Duren: 19.5 points and 10.5 rebounds. That’s not a close call.”
The Real Threat: Hawks’ Resurgence & Mental Edge
“They're 19-5 in their last 24 games. That’s not a fluke. That’s a team with a new lease on life.”
“If this series goes six or seven, the Knicks are out in six against the Celtics.”
“If we couldn't figure out earlier in the year that a good way to engage Cat was to run a pick and roll more with Jalen Brunson, you got bigger problems.”
“If you're afraid of a first-round opponent, if there's a team that you're like, I don't know if I can beat them, then you know you're not. You're not a championship contender.”
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Carl Anthony Towns
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Jalen Brunson
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Chris Carlin
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C.J. McCollum
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