What are the best novels about infidelity? With Sophie Mackintosh
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Sophie Mackintosh’s new novel *Permanence* reimagines infidelity not as a betrayal, but as a portal to a magical city where lovers can finally be together openly—only to discover that paradise is not without its own hidden costs. In this episode of *Ask Penguin*, Mackintosh reveals how her speculative fiction debut draws on real emotional truths: the tension between romantic idealism and the messy reality of intimacy, the power of mundane moments, and the way love can feel both like freedom and a prison. She describes the city as a 'Disneyland for adulterers'—a lush, dreamlike space built from Mediterranean pastels, Prague’s grand architecture, and the quiet rituals of daily life, all designed to explore what happens when two people finally see each other in full. The novel’s central metaphor, a fictional still life of cherries and a mouse, becomes a haunting symbol of memory, desire, and the unknown stories behind every relationship. Mackintosh also reflects on her own writing process—how she lets stories surprise her, how she’s drawn to speculative fiction for its freedom, and why she finds sex scenes emotionally exhausting to write. The conversation then pivots to a curated list of essential books about love, betrayal, and the complexities of human connection, with recommendations ranging from *Madame Bovary* and *Giovanni’s Room* to contemporary gems like Miranda July’s *All Fours* and Javier Marias’s *The Infatuations*.
Infidelity in fiction isn’t just about betrayal—it can be a gateway to exploring love’s full emotional spectrum, including its fragility and beauty.
The city in *Permanence* is a composite of real places (Marseille, Prague, Mediterranean coastlines) and dream logic, designed to feel both magical and eerily artificial.
Mackintosh uses the fictional painting 'Still Life with Cherries and Mouse' as a narrative device to explore memory, identity, and the unspoken stories behind relationships.
Speculative fiction allows writers to explore emotional truths without being bound by realism—*Permanence* uses this freedom to examine how love changes when it’s no longer hidden.
The most powerful moments in relationships often aren’t the grand gestures, but the quiet, mundane rituals: making coffee together, brushing teeth, doing laundry.
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Introducing Sophie Mackintosh and *Permanence*
Rhianna Dillon welcomes Sophie Mackintosh, author of four novels including *The Water Cure* and *Cursed Bread*, to discuss her new speculative romance *Permanence*, a story about two lovers who wake up in a magical city where their affair can finally be public.
The World of Permanence: A Disneyland for Adulterers
“I kind of think of it as like a Disneyland for adulterers. So they are a couple who's been having an affair and then they wake up in this magical city.”
The Inspiration Behind the City and the Concept of Object Permanence
Mackintosh reveals that the novel’s title and core idea stem from the psychological concept of object permanence—believing something exists even when unseen. She draws on personal memories, Pinterest mood boards, and works like *Simple Passion* for inspiration.
The Role of Mundane Moments in Love
“I think that's really special. What are some of those quiet moments? I was like doing laundry. I don't know, going to the coffee shop and having a coffee or just having like a talk before bed or something.”
The Still Life Painting: A Portal to Memory and Identity
“It's something that can not something that takes them back to the city but it's something that allows them to like step back into a previous version of themselves.”
“I kind of think of it as like a Disneyland for adulterers. So they are a couple who's been having an affair and then they wake up in this magical city.”
“I think I like a very serious, serious dour book. But Sarah is the woman that the main character Morris is in love with. And I think... you know, at the beginning, by the end of the book I basically just had a totally different view of her.”
“I think that's really special. What are some of those quiet moments? I was like doing laundry. I don't know, going to the coffee shop and having a coffee or just having like a talk before bed or something.”
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Permanence
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Sophie Mackintosh
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Clara Peters
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Invisible Man
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A Heart So White
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The End of the Affair
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The Infatuations
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Madame Bovary
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Giovanni's Room
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All Fours
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