Episode 100: What I’m Tolkien About
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In celebration of their 100th episode, Em and Dr. Jessie Noose of 'Ask a Medievalist' dive deep into J.R.R. Tolkien’s legacy, examining his profound influence as a medievalist, linguist, and author. They explore how Tolkien’s creation of Middle-earth was both a homage to and a deliberate rebuttal to Richard Wagner’s mythologized Germanic epics, particularly the Ring Cycle. The hosts highlight Tolkien’s conscious effort to counter Wagner’s glorification of the singular heroic figure—embodied by Siegfried—with the collective, humble Fellowship of the Ring, where success comes not from strength or purity, but from duty, vulnerability, and community. They discuss how Tolkien’s own wartime experiences, anti-fascist values, and evolving views on race and representation (especially regarding the dwarves and the character of Gimli) reflect a complex attempt to reclaim myth for ethical ends. The episode also addresses the troubling irony that despite Tolkien’s intentions, far-right movements in Italy and elsewhere have co-opted his work as a nationalist parable, demonstrating how even well-intentioned myth-making can be distorted. The hosts conclude with a tribute to Christopher Tolkien, who spent his life preserving and refining his father’s legacy, ensuring it remains relevant and ethically grounded in contemporary fantasy. Key takeaways include: 1) Tolkien’s work is a deliberate counter-narrative to Wagner’s fascist-inflected mythmaking, emphasizing collective effort over singular heroism; 2) The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are not just fantasy stories but layered critiques of nationalism, racism, and toxic masculinity; 3) Even well-intentioned creators can be co-opted by ideologies they oppose, underscoring the need for critical engagement with myth; 4) Tolkien’s evolution on issues like antisemitism—seen in the transformation of dwarves from stereotypical figures to characters like Gimli—shows that creators can grow; 5) The enduring power of myth lies in its ability to be reinterpreted, for better or worse, and thus demands ongoing vigilance.
Tolkien intentionally created a collective, humble alternative to Wagner’s singular heroic myth, emphasizing fellowship over individualism.
The transformation of dwarves from stereotypical, greedy figures to Gimli—a noble, empathetic, and multi-dimensional character—reflects Tolkien’s moral evolution.
Despite his anti-fascist intentions, Tolkien’s work has been co-opted by modern far-right movements, illustrating how myth can be weaponized.
Tolkien’s deep engagement with medieval languages and history was not just academic but ethical: he built rules for his world to make it feel authentic and meaningful.
The idea that 'only a hobbit can destroy the ring' is a radical statement: true heroism lies not in strength, but in humility, duty, and the willingness to try despite fear.
100th Episode Celebration & Guest Intro
Em welcomes listeners to the 100th episode of Ask a Medievalist, expressing gratitude and introducing the special topic: J.R.R. Tolkien. She shares personal memories of reading The Lord of the Rings during college and mentions two announcements: M’s new book 'Renaissance' and the podcast’s inclusion in the Nerd and Tie network.
Tolkien as Medievalist & Linguist
“Tolkien does it brilliantly because of course he was an academic and he read those footnotes. And he knew exactly how to make them legit but funny.”
Tolkien vs. Wagner: Mythmaking & Nationalism
“Tolkien basically wants to give England an epic that they don't quite have... but he clearly, clearly, clearly wants to counter Wagner.”
The Fellowship vs. The Hero: A Rejection of the Übermensch
“You always need a fellowship. You always need at least one other person. It wouldn't have worked except for Gollum.”
Tolkien’s Reckoning with Race, Anti-Semitism, and Legacy
“I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. If impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”
“I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. If impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”
“Tolkien basically wants to give England an epic that they don't quite have... but he clearly, clearly, clearly wants to counter Wagner.”
“You always need a fellowship. You always need at least one other person. It wouldn't have worked except for Gollum.”
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J.R.R. Tolkien
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Dr. Jessie Noose
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Em
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The Lord of the Rings
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The Hobbit
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Richard Wagner
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The Ring Cycle
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Gimli
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Georgia Meloni
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The Rings of Power
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