Going After the Proxies. Gordon Chang Talks to A&G
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Gordon Chang, author and China analyst, delivers a stark warning about the fragility of China's political and economic system, arguing that President Trump's strategy of targeting China's proxies—Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran—is a more effective approach than direct confrontation. Chang contends that Xi Jinping's purges of the military leadership have crippled China's ability to launch a Taiwan invasion, while also undermining the regime's internal stability. He emphasizes that China's push to de-dollarize global trade through Iran's toll-based blockade of the Strait of Hormuz is a strategic gamble that could backfire if the U.S. responds by closing the strait to toll-paying ships. Chang also criticizes the U.S. for chasing diplomatic engagement with China, calling it a weakness that emboldens Beijing. He argues that Trump’s inconsistent rhetoric confuses China, but his substance—economic pressure and proxy targeting—could exploit China’s deepening crisis. Looking back, Chang admits his 2001 prediction of China’s collapse within a decade was premature, but now sees the regime at a 'very fragile point' due to debt-fueled overstimulation and economic decay. The episode reveals a critical blind spot in mainstream media: the failure to see how China’s global ambitions are built on proxy warfare and economic coercion rather than direct military power. Chang’s insight—that the U.S. should stop chasing China and instead force it to chase the U.S.
Targeting China's proxies like Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba is a more effective strategy than direct confrontation with Beijing.
Xi Jinping's military purges have crippled China's ability to launch a Taiwan invasion by decimating top leadership.
China's push to de-dollarize via Iran's Strait of Hormuz tolls could backfire if the U.S. closes the strait to toll-paying ships.
The U.S. should stop chasing China diplomatically—forcing Beijing to chase Washington increases American leverage.
China’s economy is at a 'very fragile point' due to 2008-era debt overstimulation and rapid deterioration.
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China's Strategic Calculus in the Gulf
Discussion of Chinese comments on the Gulf conflict, with Gordon Chang analyzing how China may be learning from U.S. military resolve and Iran’s toll-based blockade.
China's Military Weakness from Purges
“China can blunder into a war elsewhere. They're engaged in very provocative activities in the South China Sea, for instance. So the risk of war is still high. But the risk that people think about all the time, which is the one you mentioned, is I think off the table because of Xi Jinping's purges.”
U.S. Leverage via Strait of Hormuz
“We can even do it without putting boots on the ground. We can do that, for instance, by closing the strait to all shipping that has paid the toll. That would force the Iranians to stop the toll.”
The U.S. Should Stop Chasing China
“The way we get things from China is we stop talking to them and we make them chase us for once. If we do that, then we are able to use our leverage.”
“own economy. He works against his own economy. That economy will fail. And if that fails, the political system will be in deep trouble.”
“The way we get things from China is we stop talking to them and we make them chase us for once. If we do that, then we are able to use our leverage.”
“We can even do it without putting boots on the ground. We can do that, for instance, by closing the strait to all shipping that has paid the toll. That would force the Iranians to stop the toll.”
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