LIVE! Catherine Gray in conversation with Janey Lee Grace

Alcohol Free Life - Janey Lee Grace56mApril 3, 2026

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In this live episode of the Alcohol-Free Life Podcast, host Janey Lee Grace welcomes Catherine Gray, author of The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober, for an intimate and inspiring conversation at the Hello Love venue. The discussion traces Gray’s journey from a dramatic arrest at 27 due to drunk and disorderly conduct—complete with a mysterious pink child’s hairbrush found in her belongings—to years of failed moderation attempts and eventual sobriety. Gray shares how she discovered unexpected joy, emotional balance, and deep contentment in sobriety, challenging the myth that quitting alcohol means losing fun or identity. She reflects on her evolution as a writer, from nonfiction to fiction, and her new book, Little Addictions, which explores the psychological underpinnings of compulsive behaviors beyond alcohol, including phone use, people-pleasing, and dopamine-driven habits. The conversation also touches on the importance of emotional regulation, the neurobiology of addiction, and the need for more joyful, future-focused narratives in media about recovery. Gray’s vulnerability, humor, and deep research make the episode a powerful testament to the transformative potential of sobriety and self-awareness.

Key Takeaways
1

Sobriety brings unexpected joy and deep contentment, not just abstinence from alcohol.

2

Moderation is often unsustainable; true recovery begins with abstinence and emotional self-regulation.

3

Compulsive behaviors (like phone use, people-pleasing, sugar) are rooted in dopamine and trauma responses.

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Emotional regulation is a core skill in recovery—learned through practice, not avoidance.

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The brain is wired to remember negative experiences more than positive ones; gratitude practices rewire this bias.

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Chapters
0:00
5 min

Welcome to the Live Event at Hello Love

Janey Lee Grace welcomes listeners to a live recording of the Alcohol-Free Life Podcast, hosted at Hello Love with a vibrant audience of sober community members, coaches, and fans. She shares the emotional significance of the event, including a listener from South Africa, and teases the upcoming guest, Catherine Gray.

5:00
7 min

Catherine Gray’s Arrest and the Wake-Up Call

I woke up the next morning, thought where on earth am I? Is this just like a trendy weird hotel? Cell block. Yeah, brutalist.

Highlight
12:00
8 min

The Myth of Moderation and the Truth of Addiction

Moderation is defined as somebody who has one to two drinks per session and that's it they stop. An NHS now defines a binge as six units right and I do not know anyone that moderates if that is the definition of moderation.

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20:00
10 min

Discovering Joy and Contentment in Sobriety

It's that word contentment that again like joy I had not associated with being sober and in fact that feeling of contentment when I first got it I didn't I actually didn't recognize the feeling because I don't think I'd had that feeling of kind of contentment... since I was a kid.

Highlight
30:00
15 min

From Sober to Sober Coach: Writing the Books

Gray discusses the creation of her bestselling book, The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober, and how it was initially dismissed by agents. She shares how her gratitude practice—writing daily 'blessings'—transformed her mental health and became a cornerstone of her recovery. She also promotes her follow-up books, including The Unexpected Joy of the Ordinary and Versions of a Girl.

High-Impact Quotes
It's okay to be sad, sweetheart. It's okay.
Catherine Gray52:37
Viral: 92.0
Moderation is defined as somebody who has one to two drinks per session and that's it they stop. An NHS now defines a binge as six units right and I do not know anyone that moderates if that is the definition of moderation.
Catherine Gray9:16
Viral: 90.0
It's that word contentment that again like joy I had not associated with being sober and in fact that feeling of contentment when I first got it I didn't I actually didn't recognize the feeling because I don't think I'd had that feeling of kind of contentment... since I was a kid.
Catherine Gray13:13
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

Janey Lee Grace

Guest

Catherine Gray
Topics Discussed
sobriety and joy95%emotional regulation90%addiction and compulsion88%people-pleasing and boundaries85%dopamine and neurobiology82%gratitude and mindfulness78%media representation of recovery75%sober coaching and purpose70%
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Catherine Gray

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Janey Lee Grace

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The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober

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Little Addictions

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The Sober Club

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The Unexpected Joy of the Ordinary

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Versions of a Girl

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Naughty

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Hello Love

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Huberman

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